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Subject: THEOLOGY AND THE INTERNET Note 47 by LARRY BOURGEOIS

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Re: #46 from INTERNET on Jan. 05, 1996

Where does one start to address the kind of perspective that "Constance" is

taking on the Matthew Fox issue... I will make "my" perspectival bias known

at the start...

I am an episcopalian (80's), before choosing to become one I was a card carrying Fuller Seminary graduate (70's), before that a Wheaton College graduate, before that an assemblies of God Bible college student, before that a "pagan" coffeehouse patron of the Northern California variety (circa 60's). All that means that I care to share is that I have heard the faith pronounced from the conservative fundamentalist perspective, the pentecostal perspective, the mainstream evangelical, the "liberal" or progressive evangelical perspective etc, and finally a more "orthodox" and "catholic" perspective - Anglican/Episcopalianism.
Lesson I have found in all that:

1) In each of those traditions there are perceived "enemies" that surround their encampments. When the faithful of one particular tradition round up their wagon and bread bread together they do so with those who are inside their wagon round up. In a world of complexity and diversity such as we are now "stewing" that makes sense, it provides a limiting that makes a small intimate culture of faith possible. However, it is hard to get outside that narrow perspective and truly see into another "encampment."

2)If there is a "way" to see into another's wagon round up, and I have tried to do so for 25 years as a Christian lay theologian and religious bookseller... is to make a serious attempt to understand what they personally perceive their world of "prayer" "miracles" "spiritual cause and effect" etc, to inquire about what "father" and "spouse" and the human images of incarnation mean to them in their personal daily lives etc. I have found that most Christian people (of any tradition) can share their faith stories in this way, and it is reasonable to assume as a starting point that God listens to their prayers, and is big enough to "work" with their limited or "heretical theologies..."

3)In my faith life experience I have worked for 20+ years as a religous bookseller, a "christian bookseller" and a "bookstore coffeehouse operator" and I have attempted to understand faith and religion in the marketplace... as people share it "across formal denominational barriers" etc. I have come to the conlcusion from those attempts that there appear to me... to be people of "great faith" (ie they desire, love and serve God with all their minds, hearts and souls...) in ALL of the various "traditions" of Christianity. Likewise, there are also people of "unfaith" "unlove" and such like that are represented across the boards as well. What I personally derive from this "life reflection" is that so long as we encourage one another to grow the love and faith that we each have (from grace as a gift), along with the "theology" that we use to refelct on faith experience), that we will end up each growing in the "knowledge and wisdom of our Lord..." I don't mean by that to disparage the importance of theological reflection along with critical examination and dialogue. I take theology and theologizing quite seriously, but I don't take it as the ultimate spiritual "weapon" of "tool." Some comments.

4) The Eastern Christian tradition speaks of "theology" when it descends from the mind into the "heart" becomes "spirituality." I think that when the fruits of the spirit (however they are understood personally) are applied to theological reflection and dialogue (peoples comments which are made from the very limited meaning of words...) there can end up being some fruitful exchange... In other words, each party is "blessed" by the other persons reflections. Also, in a spirit of humilty, I think we should each be aware of how little we each see of the "total truth..." That doesn't mean that our part of the truth is not to be taken of "ultimate" importance to us, but perhaps it is not to be used for evaluating another persons faith experience and life reflection.

5) My personal life experience has permitted me to dialogue with people who have seemed to be "well-intentioned" and faithful Christians. For whatever reason these individuals have taken it upon themselves to lampoon any number of people, be they represented by the Catholic Church (calling it the great whore, the beast, etc) or those that are so concerned about the return of Christ that they lose the good news for confusing the return of Christ with their own footnotes - literally, the pre-mills parting company with the a- or post millenial persuasions etc. That of course continues into the present day discussion regarding Dale Latures personal theology and spirituality.

6) I personally know Dale Lature, have known him for three years, and I am part of a Christian Formation class with him (The Servant Leadership School of the Church of the Savior in Washington, D.C.) I hold his Christian belief and personal witness in high esteem. I am proud to know him as a brother in Christ. I have shared my life faith pilgrimage with him as he has with me. From that I know he seeks to have a genuine relationship with God and that he seeks to be honest in all that with his life experience. I also know that both he and I have been greatly influenced by the model of the Church of the Saviour in Washington, D.C. Fortunately 20+ years ago we each managed to visit the COS in DC and we were each "spirituality" moved by the experience. However, for me personally, I could not "see" the wisdom of what they were doing because I was attempting to "judge" it through the limited spiritual perspective I was seeing reality through at the time. I was a student at a rural pentecostal Bible college at that time and "their wagon camp" saw the spiritual life through the "second blessing" and the Acts chapter 2 bible study series. Because I was so blinded by that "exclusive" approach I failed to see the "depth" of what the Church of the Savior was doing. Thanks be to God, over the past 20+ years, Gordon Cosby, Elizabeth O'Connor and the many other Christians who were fellowshipping at Church of the Savior in the 60's 70' 80's just stayed to their conviction of what was their principle faith task... So that in the 1990's I could grow to understand and be the beneficiary of their faith work.

Some examples. All I am really saying is that I have known fundamentalists theologians who make their life belittling CS Lewis for not being a "theologian"... All the while CS Lewis never claimed to be one... and the legitimate theological community never saw him as one... The underlying cause of that was in my mind not because of any issues of theology... but rather CS Lewis managed to speak to the thinking masses because he had some gifts that went with his theological understanding (he was an excellent writer, knew how to work with a wide range of literary styles, he had a good sense of church history, spirituality and philosophy...) Because of that combination of qualities he has probably influenced for good more twentienth century lay theologians than any other writer. However, if you want to pick apart his theology you can find things to "mangle.."

Another example is Thomas Merton. Thomas Merton is the reigning example of Christian monasticism being made "publically accessible". His biography Seven Story Mountain, his spiritual reflections, his commentary on issues and faith concerns, and his many other books, poems, letters etc have perhaps influenced my generation spirituality than any other single Monastic author... He has influenced the eastern religious traditions as well, and brought many people of other faith traditions to seriously consider the life of Christ. He did all those things because he felt that to be his calling. There was a time in my life when I could not "hear" what he had to say from a dear friend.... because he was a "catholic" and every one knew what THAT meant... coupled with the fact that he was worshipping with Buddhist and with people who meditated etc... he was "questionable" and not to be listened to. Fortunate 20+ years after hearing those things I have been able to take retreats at the Abbey of Gethsemenae and I have been richly blessed by those brothers in Christ there.

Lastly. Matthew Fox has also made me aware of many things that I would have missed had I not read several of his books. I will run out of space here but will leave that to a different message. Suffice it to say that I don't agree with some of the things Matthew Fox espouses, but I think I would also say that he has much to say that the Church at large needs to reckon with... and he has a unique ability to "package" some of the lesser known gems within Christianity's rich and diverse history so that many people who would otherwise not come in contact with those "voices" have been able to do so.
Constance - I pray that you grow in faith and wisdom and a spirit of humility as you seek to develop your "personal theological reflection." Larry Bourgeois


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